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Monday, November 8, 2010
Vanessa Kachadurian- Attorneys jobs outsourced to India
Hey BATMAN and ROBIN what are you going to do when your jobs are outsourced to India?
No more wealthy clients to fleece out of money? Batman and Robin, you are a running joke in the legal community and at the State Bar Association where "Batman" has some compliants filed. Robin and his law firm want to seperate themselves from you but money is tight and big law firms need the billable hours. Poor Robin, forced to take junk cases that no one else wants. Enjoy the trend and how your $400.00 an hour billable hours has just been outsourced.
August 4, 2010
Outsourcing to India Draws Western Lawyers
By HEATHER TIMMONS
NOIDA, India — As an assistant attorney general for New York State, Christopher Wheeler used to spend most of his time arguing in courtrooms in New York City.
Today, he works in a sprawling, unfinished planned suburb of New Delhi, where office buildings are sprouting from empty lots and dirt roads are fringed with fresh juice stalls and construction rubble. At Pangea3, a legal outsourcing firm, Mr. Wheeler manages a team of 110 Indian lawyers who do the grunt work traditionally assigned to young lawyers in the United States — at a fraction of the cost.
India’s legal outsourcing industry has grown in recent years from an experimental endeavor to a small but mainstream part of the global business of law. Cash-conscious Wall Street banks, mining giants, insurance firms and industrial conglomerates are hiring lawyers in India for document review, due diligence, contract management and more.
Now, to win new clients and take on more sophisticated work, legal outsourcing firms in India are actively recruiting experienced lawyers from the West. And American and British lawyers — who might once have turned up their noses at the idea of moving to India, or harbored an outright hostility to outsourcing legal work in principle — are re-evaluating the sector.
The number of legal outsourcing companies in India has mushroomed to more than 140 at the end of 2009, from 40 in 2005, according to Valuenotes, a consulting firm in Pune, India. Revenue at India’s legal outsourcing firms is expected to grow to $440 million this year, up 38 percent from 2008, and should surpass $1 billion by 2014, Valuenotes estimates.
“This is not a blip, this is a big historical movement,” said David B. Wilkins, director of Harvard Law School’s program on the legal profession. “There is an increasing pressure by clients to reduce costs and increase efficiency,” he added, and with companies already familiar with outsourcing tasks like information technology work to India, legal services is a natural next step.
So far, the number of Western lawyers moving to outsourcing companies could be called more of a trickle than a flood. But that may change, as more business flows out of traditional law firms and into India. Compensation for top managers at legal outsourcing firms is competitive with salaries at midsize law firms outside of major metropolitan areas of the United States, executives in the industry say. Living costs are much lower in India, and often, there is the added allure of stock in the outsourcing company.
Right now, Pangea3 is “getting more résumés from United States lawyers than we know what to do with,” said Greg McPolin, managing director of the company’s litigation services group, who divides his time between India and New York.
Outsourcing remains a highly contentious issue in the West, particularly as law firms have been trimming their staffs and curtailing hiring plans. But Western lawyers who have joined outsourcing firms are unapologetic about the shift to India.
Leah Cooper left her job as managing lawyer for the giant mining company Rio Tinto in February to become director of legal outsourcing for CPA Global, a contract legal services company with offices in Europe, the United States and India. Before hiring Ms. Cooper, CPA Global added lawyers from Bank of America and Alliance & Leicester, a British bank. The company has a total of about 1,500 employees, and Ms. Cooper said she planned to hire hundreds in India in the next 12 months.
At Rio Tinto, Ms. Cooper said, she became a champion of the idea of moving work like document review to a legal outsourcing company “because it works really well.”
“It really is the future of legal services,” said Ms. Cooper, an American based in London who travels regularly to India and has spoken widely in promoting outsourcing. Still, she acknowledges hostility toward the practice. “When I was doing public speaking, people used to joke that I had better check under my car” for something planted by a junior associate angered by her views, she said.
Many legal outsourcing firms have offices around the world to interact with clients, but keep the majority of their employees in India; some also have a stable of lawyers in the Philippines. Thanks to India’s low wages and costs and a big pool of young, English-speaking lawyers, outsourcing firms charge from one-tenth to one-third what a Western law firm bills an hour.
Employees at legal outsourcing companies in India are not allowed by Indian law to give legal advice to clients in the West, no matter their qualifications. Instead, legal outsourcing companies perform a lot of the functions that a junior lawyer might do in a American law firm.
Even global law firms like Clifford Chance, which is based in London, are embracing the concept.
“I think the toothpaste is out of the tube,” said Mark Ford, director of the firm’s Knowledge Center, an office south of New Delhi with 30 Indian law school graduates who serve Clifford Chance’s global offices. Mr. Ford lived in India for six months to set up the center, and now manages it from London.
“We as an industry have shown that a lot of basic legal support work can successfully be done offshore very cost-effectively with no quality problems,” Mr. Ford said. “Why on earth would clients accept things going back?”
Many corporations agree that outsourcing legal work, in some form or another, is here to stay.
“We will continue to go to big firms for the lawyers they have who are experts in subject matter, world-class thought leaders and the best litigators and regulatory lawyers around the world — and we will pay a lot of money for those lawyers,” said Janine Dascenzo, associate general counsel at General Electric.
What G.E. does not need, though, is the “army of associates around them,” Ms. Dascenzo said. “You don’t need a $500-an-hour associate to do things like document review and basic due diligence,” she said.
Western lawyers making the leap to legal outsourcing companies come for a variety of reasons, but nearly universally, they say they stay for the opportunities to build a business and manage people.
“In many respects it is more rewarding than jobs I had in the United States,” said Mr. Wheeler, who moved to India when his Indian-born wife took a job here in 2006.
“If you’re talking about 15 employees in a windowless basement office, I’m not interested in making that my life’s calling,” he recalled thinking when he started talking to Pangea3. “But building a 500-person office, now that is a real challenge.”
Shelly Dalrymple left her job as a partner at a firm in Tulsa, Okla., in 2007 and is now based in India as the senior vice president of global litigation services at UnitedLex, a legal outsourcing company with offices in the United States, Britain, Israel and India.
When she first joined the industry, she said, growth was being driven by corporations that were pushing law firms to outsource to save money. Now, Western law firms themselves are starting to embrace the industry, she said. “We are seeing law firms who are putting a lot of thought into their future coming to us with interesting and creative ideas,” she said.
Partners in the West are asking legal outsourcing companies in India to create dedicated teams of lawyers for their firms, for example. Those teams could expand and contract depending on how much business the Western firm has. “That means a law firm with 500 members in Chicago can compete with a 2,000-member firm in New York,” Ms. Dalrymple said.
Moving to a legal outsourcing firm, especially in India, is not for everyone. About 5 percent of Western transplants cannot handle it and move back home, managers estimate.
Some find it hard to adapt to India. Other times, the job itself does not suit them — after spending years working nearly independently as a litigator, for example, it can be hard to transition to managing and inspiring a team of young foreign lawyers.
Even lawyers who stay are sometimes wistful about their previous careers. “Of course I miss litigation,” Mr. Wheeler said. But, he added, “watching people learn some of the same skills I did is gratifying.”
This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:
Correction: October 1, 2010
An article on Aug. 5 about the growth of India’s legal outsourcing industry misstated the number of lawyers working at CPA Global, an outsourcing company with offices in Europe, the United States and India. The company currently has a total of about 1,500 employees — not 1,500 lawyers. (The company has plans to increase its staff in India to 1,500 over the next few years, a majority of whom will be lawyers.) A reader pointed out the error in an e-mail message on Aug. 7; this correction was delayed because the reporter did not follow through on the complaint.
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No she loves attorneys they are some of her best friends. In fact, my team is supporting me well. Yawn.
ReplyDeleteThat is why she doesn't have to pay for some. Besides there is nothing to defend.
Boring, come up with something better that will make it past motion summary.
P.S. Don't hate me because I don't have to pay $20K for paper pushers like some people.
ReplyDeleteMy fees have been under $20.00
for copies.
Yawn..
Really SV you need to get more creative with your dribble. It is so desperate, and so high schoolish.
given the choice, many of us would rather pay
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Hits from India keep comming. Brillant people, I can see why legal services are outsourced there. Holy Shit Batman, what are you going to do? Maybe you should start with having your clients clean up their nasty postings and paper trail. The door swings both ways, there is no innocence there.
Client or not you invest way too much of your time and energy obsessing about something you know little about.
ReplyDeleteBatman and Robin are financed by someone, possible the person that went back to work p/t to afford it, the old buddy from RI.
Batman's latest Bat signal today was hysterical, I am sure they are getting a kick out of it. He is very entertaining but then most Attorney's who crave attention and the limelight are.
Make sure to read the next few weeks an article about Attorney's who try to etch out a career at the same time as "writers or "commentators".
Again, I have no money or interest invested into this. Nothing that a Pro Se with a team of "friends" cannot handle.
Someone might want to mention to Robin that there are loose lips in his office....especially at happy hour. Seems there was a particular conversation with a group of attorneys that were discussing a client with an open check book. shame shame.